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何瑞元漫談台美時政
Richard W. Hartzell reviews
US-Taiwan current affairs
時間：2025年9月22日星期一上午11:00am
地點：大湖花園會客室
暗殺柯克是懦夫行為
台灣需要有柯克精神
Why is the passport issued by ROC government been recognized?
Where does the US flag fly in Taiwan?
論述台灣法理地位
Reviewing key persons of TCG, TG - Roger, Gavin, Nieco,.......
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And the people he talked to, you know, they didn't know. He said, "Okay, I'll give you the number." 15 15. That's it. That's it. And he said, "It's not my number. It's Washington Post. They published this number." And 15 is what? 15 is like the person
I don't know. They already they had their gun by the side. I mean, some people would say, "Oh, well, he's actually already armed." I mean, his gun is right there, right? They even they even counted those where he put down the gun. Some people would say, "But, you know, he's armed." So, I mean, you you would feel more threatened if the gun was right there as opposed to he had no gun, right? So, I mean, that they counted those. So, that's the thing. the media is taking everything out of context and then, you know, saying all these things. So, I don't what we're in Taiwan. We don't know what to believe, you know. Yeah. I I was there yesterday and this except me. There's no other media there. I on behalf of a Taiwan US.net there. So, I record. So, where was the memorial service held? Uh Shiminga. Oh, Jim D. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so, well, maybe people in Taiwan are not so familiar with it's about 300 people there. Not bad. Near near near the sheen or something. Yeah. Right. Exit one. Exit one. Yeah. I was there and of course there's some passive you know the passenger pass by and they stopped and to watch it and lots of uh church member I I did they have like a recording of some of the other memorial services maybe in the states or something and sort of play that or uh we had a simple stage there very simple and but people bring flower and you know stay there and lots of young generation, they come up and speak for themselves. Yeah. I don't Oh, well that's good. That's good. If they speak I don't I don't.
And so it turns out the uh the person who shot him, his father was a policeman. Yes. And so they said, "Okay, you can take the $100,000." He said, "No, of course not. It's it's a sh Well, he said he he he said he raised him improperly, you know. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, I you know, I have a son, too. But I try to I try to Yeah. I try I try to say, well, yeah, they said that. I don't I don't really believe that, but but I guess, you know, they could say that, you know. Yeah. You know, in language, it's a freedom of speech. You can say whatever, you know. Yeah. But you shouldn't, you know, get to the point where you're [Music] shooting people, you know, that's right. That's unacceptable, you know. Martin Luther King. Yes. Uh Malcolm X, something John F. Kennedy.
You know what they said about John F. Kennedy?
They said that uh
all his advisors told him to go bomb. Oh wow. And he said, "No, just let's wait. Let's see if we can peacefully resolve this." Whoa. Yeah. Sort of. I mean, but yeah. when you think I mean back then there was none of this uh Democrat Republican anger you know it wasn't that kind of anger but in my opinion I don't know I don't you know I don't live in the states I'm I'm living in this this small island off the coast of China but uh from my point of view all this started with Hillary she wouldn't accept her loss in the election It all started right there. I distinctly remember, oh, she's not going to agree to, you know, so she waited for a very long time and then she told everybody that was not fair, etc., etc. Well, she assumed she will be elected and became a president, the first lady president. Yeah. But it didn't happen. And then she was really, really upset, of course. Yeah. And I think it my impression is it started with her about not agreeing to the election, you know, the election results. So I don't Yeah, I think that's a a bad start, you know, but
I think uh President Trump announced that on Charles birthday, October 14th will be the first uh national day of freedom for for for child Kirk. Yeah. National day of what? Freedom. Freedom. Oh, national day of freedom. Yeah. Yeah. So, will be the Yeah. Coming soon. Well, I mean that's that's quite uh you know that's quite all right. I mean you have to have somebody you can rally around. Yeah. And uh what I tried to say is that yesterday lots of young people from Ta in Taipei and uh they said uh you know Chalker while he was 18 he start organized the uh turning point USA we should do something turning point of Taiwan right now and uh there's something we had to correct it had to turn around uh What do you think about recently that AIT and also the state department they confirm that uh Taiwan's status? It's undecided. Well, if Yeah, but the thing is if it's undecided then why are we carrying ROC passports? Right. Right. You you you raised the same question because when you go Yeah. on the internet Yeah. I mean, I I go to a lot of online forums and they go, "Taiwan belongs to China." Well, and the proof is right here. Look at the passport. And I mean, how are you going to persuade them that's not valid? So, I think AIT and these places, I don't think they're being honest. True. If if if that's the case then why are we carrying ROC passport? Oh, one reason would be uh because in their view uh Taiwan governing authorities under the uh Taiwan Relations Act just means Republic of China. But that's a misinterpretation. That's not valid.
There was an editorial in the Taipei Times that mentioned that one time. They said if the purpose of the Taiwan Relations Act were to provide a legal basis for the ROC to continue in Taiwan, then it would have been called the Republic of the China Relations Act. So that that sort of interpretation is wrong. It's wrong. So I think that's a critical point you know puzzle me all the time while we discuss or talk about Taiwan and the US senator or Congress they going to uh accept Taiwan you know in the international community but under one name they keep calling Taiwan right but Taiwan there's no any official document like a presidential document Let's say it's ready for you to apply under what name under what document you're going to apply and this has been raised uh many years ago there was a there was a a legislator for the
child John yeah
and he was like overseas Chinese legislator and he mentioned this sometimes he would write an article for the newspaper. Oh, Liberty Times or something. He mentioned this. He said when they got to the discussions in the US with the senators and congress people and then they said, "Okay, we can push it through to get your membership in this organization. You have your documents." And they brought out a bunch of documents and they say, "Well, but I mean those are all these are all different. You have to have what what name are you using?" And some of them of course said, "Oh, ROC." And some of them said Taiwan. Some of them Chinese Taipei. Yeah. He said they couldn't they couldn't uh have any uh consensus. Yeah. You probably recall that 2007 Chun the former person he applied under OC presidential office later had Yeah. to apply the membership of Taiwan. Oh right. And of course he he thought that all also known as the tri it's it's a ridiculous no one accept it. Yeah.
Yeah, they didn't they didn't accept the So, so I mean that's that's the thing. So, uh,
you know, maybe
I don't know what
what the people in the Bay Area, what do they think? uh the Bay Area at this time a lot of friend from Chamber of Commerce they come back here because uh tomorrow we are going to have the uh world chapters annual meeting so in the grand hotel or where fora hotel it's a it's a big one I think where is that located China oh so you have to go to Thailand tonight tomorrow I get the high See where? Yeah. First thing in the morning. Yeah. I booked the uh train 9:00 in the morning. So we'll be there 10 something. Yeah. It's good. Early enough. Yeah. And the present on the line will be there too. Yeah. So I was told there's about 1,200 people come back worldwide. A lot. Yeah. lots of people and some of them, you know, I I made the French in in in Bay Area, they kind of they don't know wh which direction to go. Some really support the OC government. Some say, well, like myself, I say, where's the all going?
Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah.
So, besides that, uh you Oh, okay. F calling. Yeah. Oh, I guess so. But, uh you know, I get some some pains and aches here and there, you know. Okay. have to do some exercising and then lot of gin. Uhhuh. Uhhuh. Did you did you something for the martial arts or movement? Ta taichi. Taii. Taichi. Okay. Just trying to He is still here uh around in in in Taipei or who yourself? Yeah, he lives in Taipei. He lives down the road here. Oh, down the road. It's about 5 minutes. Oh, wow. That's close. I know.
My son, one lives in uh free I live in Hayward. My son, one son live in Fremont, one son live in Sacramento. So Sacramento takes about 90 minutes in driving to see my grandkids and to my son. Yeah. We keep it within every other week. Every other weekend we go. So, uh,
how's Governor Nuome doing? Well,
he cannot continue to elect, right? So, his turn will be due. And then uh it there was a rumor that is campaign for the Democratic Party's presidential candidate, but I doubt it he can make it. Yeah.
That's reserved for Camela, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Camela said that she still want to try it again. I I I really doubt she can make it. Yeah. Insanity. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let me get Okay.
Oh, you know our friend Gavin Sai, you know. Gavin. Yeah. Yeah. Something happened. I haven't talked to anyone in Taiwan about him yet. Uh, you know, uh, Richard Richard kept reporting his news recently. Oh, right. You still remember Richard, right? Yeah. He lives in Central America or something. Bel or something some Michael Richardson. Michael Richardson. Yeah. He lives in Central America. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he I don't know who he contact. He could very update information. Yeah. He has some good updated information. Yeah. Yeah. And so, uh, I might I might I might want to go to, uh, the states and maybe talk to some friends. Can we see him? Visit him. I mean, the government. There's there's a a man on the internet called uh
Johnson Yeah. or Jonathan Y or something. He said no Jin Jen. Oh wow. Yeah, that's according to uh Michael Richardson's uh report said no, you cannot visit anyone. So I I don't know. But he did all these you know the thing is if you can't
if you can't think of something useful or something good to do then you're better to do nothing but
he would do a lot of crazy stuff I think he included going out and we think they go Juwness about right right going cow all that [ __ ] and then pasting it up here and there that's not a good idea he went to United States try to visit either secretary of state or even you know Trump but of course not you cannot see anyone how many people every day want to go see these people Yeah, a ton of them but you know even had a chance and I received a call from him before he left USA in his got a call. He called me directly. He talk something. I I kind of I haven't really talked to him you know for a long time. not even met him personally,
but he gave me a call and I some of that I don't really know what he talk about because I have no idea what he talk about. He he seems like want to hand over me something.
Yeah. Well, that's that's always the problem. But then
they're doing all this crazy stuff, you know. I don't want to get involved with that's crazy stuff, you know. Yeah.
And have you talked to uh Roger? Uh I mean I mean the the
other the other time inv
you know sometimes in the email but it's been a long time I believe he published some article recently on the email group or something. Yeah I guess he's always putting out something. Yeah.
Then there was some other announcement RCG how in California maybe Southern California they're going to have some meeting about a a Jen Joe. Oh really? I haven't heard of him uh was that the uh uh William Chow. So, oh, Joe Wade, I think uh I sent a copy of that announcement to him, but it is not I think he's not involved with that one. Okay. Well, and I don't know who is in charge of that.
Uh it's it's always
someone trying to collect money.
Yeah. There's so many people, they have all these ideas, but
yeah, at least no one mentioned that to me, you know, for the activity you just talked about in Southern California. I I didn't know that.
I think I sent a copy of the announcement to uh
the head of the BATA. Oh, okay. Alan Alan Allen. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know whether he, you know, would post that or not.
I haven't really involved BATA for a while. Yeah. since you know CK Chen he spit out and we we don't really Oh yeah. I guess he had his own group, right? Yeah. Right. Right. Right. And I met CK maybe a month ago. He's still good. Wealthy. I mean healthy. I'm sorry. Still healthy. Wow. Something. Yeah. He live with his second son in the south San Francisco and this he can walk out and we went to lunch together. Wow. Yeah. Not bad. Not bad. Yeah. 90 something. 94.
It's He's the most elder friend I have now. 94. Yeah. So, um
I wanted to I I wanted to think if I if I go cuz I you know I always attended college university on the east coast and everything. So if I go if I visit some friends in uh the east coast or something. I may have the opportunity to make one one quick trip to the States when Well, I don't know. Hopefully hopefully this fall. Oh, okay. That's coming. So, I wanted to ask you about a few things. Okay. Uh number one would be this. I mean, I understand if you go I mean if you get off the plane, it will come up. was say, "Okay, you know, Joha did Sheen and now you're in the States and some kind of default setting for your telephone, but is is it good to use that or is it good to do something else like maybe here they have maybe they have some other service they're advertising say if you go to the States you should you should use our service, you know, they give you maybe they give you an access number." I think that's the best one. You you for example my phone system, they told me uh I come to Taiwan, I don't need to buy any other software. It's automatically connected. So work out perfect for me. So your your idea is if I go to the States, I just don't do anything and I I'll be okay and just use Joha. Yeah. Yeah. You check with your provider. check with and they'll they'll tell you they have automatic connect and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Some But what about some people said they were they were at the airport, they couldn't get a signal, something like that. No, most of the airport they provide the free uh net I I you know free network. So you you you have no problem to get any call at the airport. But while you go down to the hotel hotel, they also provide the Wi-Fi service. But mostly, but if you if you if you're in the hotel and you use the hotel Wi-Fi, then you have to put in your account number and no, it automatically connected. You just put on your VPN and then there is show up says how many provider available and you just click the one uh provide by the uh so but that's something you mentioned there. So you definitely think I should have VPN right? Yeah, I think you everyone had a VPN but you had to uh check I would recommend check which you you provide the phone phone company call say hey I'm planning to go travel to United States for maybe a month or so so right and then check the mo the best is the they extend the service and the charge is not that expensive. Yeah. And yeah, but I heard it's, you know, again, it's sort of like when you go to Europe and when you buy the the rail Europe pass or something, they have to you have to buy it before you get to Europe, you know. Yeah. Right. So VPN, I can look into that first. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you stop by Bay Area, let me know in advance. Yeah. I was looking at the map and the way the great central route is. It's a far away east to west, you know that it's about four five hour. Yeah. But if you fly this way, you know, it it's about the same. Yeah. Uh, and I'm afraid if I go to California, you know, the I'll be some homeless person will try to hit me over the head. And no, San Francisco downtown area. You still safe. Okay. We don't go there often, but still safe. Yeah, it's okay.
So, uh, what about, uh, you're
okay. You're you're you're every time you're taking the airplane from from Taipei to California. You're going from California to Taipei. Okay. If I turn on the internet, then I see all these all these uh uh What passport you going to use? I I see all these all these
I I I see all these Indian uh these these you know displays and they're going, "Oh boy, you'll be caught in customs and and you'll be fined if you don't watch our surfing, if you don't watch our our video, right? and you you don't know what has happened to you, but you'll be standing there and they won't let you on the plane and Okay, first of how many passport do you have? You have two one or two? I just have the Taiwan one. You have Taiwan one. Okay. So, for the custom service in and out Taiwan is so easy and simple, but I don't know you tried them before or not. I've been in and out for almost every year. So I can go automatically. It takes about less than one minute to pass through the the customs. Well, I remember from before when our son was smaller, we used to go to Phuket and things. I mean, if you come back, if you say I have nothing to declare, you just go here, here. No, now it's even simple than that. Even more simple than that. Well, my thing was I told my son this as well. You know, I see. Well, this for you, you're a experienced traveler, but but I mean, for some people, they're so just careless, you know, like the customs officer will say, "Okay, here are the things you're not allowed to carry." Yeah. Right. And they give it to you. And some people just go, "No, I don't have that." You know, I told my son, "You never do that." I said, "If he gives you a list, you go, okay, okay." No, no, no. Okay. No, you go one by one all the way. No, no, no, sir. I don't have those. Be respectful. Yeah. This guy, this guy can, you know, cause you a lot of trouble. So, that's the first thing is if they have a they usually have a list there, you know. Yeah. No, I think it's more I I got someone some kind of visa. It's like a sangu or something. Uhhuh. The lucin. Okay. So if I but if I if I tell them on I'm on holiday, is that okay for that? Yeah. You travel, you know, they're always saying on the on the on the internet if you say the wrong thing, the customs officer, he'll look at your face. Nah, no way. Cancel. reject her. Get her out of here. I think Taiw between Taiwan and United States, they had the visa free or something. You can waver the visa. No, but I still I still applied through the travel agency. Oh, okay. So, I got the visa. So, that's okay. How many day you going to stay there? I don't know. I'll have to figure that out. When I'll I'll, you know, when I get ready, I'll write to my friends and I say, "Okay, blah blah blah." You know, okay. I carry too. So, but if you go to the states, you have to go in with your US passport. When I go back to United States, okay, I use the US passport. When they in and out Taiwan, I use the Taiwan passport. Right. That's that's my understanding. Yeah. Yeah. But uh uh
so yeah, that's not a problem. But what but what about when you go back to the states? When you go in? I mean, I hear a lot of commentary about when you're leaving the states. Okay. What's this? Not allowed. What's this? Not allowed. Not allowed. Not allowed. Take him away. I hear this all the time. No, no, no. Now it's very simple and easy. You just when you're coming when you're coming this way, when you're going through US customs to come back to come to Taiwan, it's not difficult. Yeah. You know, while you are exporting from United States, come to Taiwan and they just check your luggage. Of course, they very simple form. They ask them the question you say every anything fragable or so whatever you know it's dangerous the item you say no and when you're going in I remember before it was like they also had a list like you know agricultural products things like that and do you have these leave them here you know right and then you just go in you know just be careful don't bring any mint even even the cake or something they some of them had the meth inside they They they don't like it. They have water inside. No. Mint. Mint. Milk. No. No. Not milk. Mint. Mint. Yeah. M I N T. No. Mint. M E A T. Oh, meat. No. Pork. Oh, some of them do. Yeah. They have like a shin. Yeah. Yeah. They have pieces of pork. Try to avoid Try to Yeah. Well, that's the Taiwanese always take that. Otherwise every anything should be tea or you know coffee it's fine it's okay and pineapple cake it's okay it's acceptable pineapple cake is okay yeah it's acceptable yeah you know pineapple cake is not made of pineapple made of dong gua dong gua my wife said what cuz she was always involved with guanuang kaias one time somebody had the idea we'll make a int Tao. Oh, ingo pineapple cake. You know, just pineapple cherry cake. Well, that sounds nice, you know. So, they they tried. Okay. They couldn't get it. They they just went back to the donga and oh, this seems about like intel intow uh fo. But to go from foley to or go from intow doesn't work. So they should but in the states you get you get sued for that if you say it's this but it's not you know. Yeah that's quite true. But as you said, they actually made out of pumpkin, not that pineapple
before uh Nico,
you know, they had they had a form sometime you had to fill out and it said uh you know how many passports do you have?
All the uh US custom they know you had two passport they know this yeah but the question is is the Taiwan passport a passport is that considered a passport I don't know but the we carry passport I believe they consider it's a kind of visa to them you know a kind of visa yeah it's a permanent visa whatever
So, so get a VPN. Yeah. And the rest of it you don't worry about very much. What about, you know, I don't know. When we went back in 2010, you know. Oh, it's been a while. 15 years ago. Yeah.
That time we went with Deco, you know. Yeah. And of course you read a lot in the newspapers and on the internet you see a lot of a lot of reportage about the situation
for the uh you know the antra in Washington DC and stuff. So, you know, we saw a lot about that. And we were staying in this like motel and they told us, they said, you know, there's a there's an all you can eat restaurant just down the road here. Yeah. So, you really, you know, you really, you don't have to go looking for food. Just go there. If you want to have seafood today, you have seafood. If you want to have steak tomorrow, if you want to have ribs the next day, they have everything. I always thought that sounds good. Yeah. And so, you know, you walk out and you get on the street and you hear all these stories about and you know, there's nobody here. That's true. But, you know, I've visited Washington DC in the last three or four years and every year we've been there in the springtime. We call it uh the knocking door to the US Congress and the senator uh on behalf of the Taiwanese Chamber of Commerce. There's about uh 40 to 50 in the group and we visit last this year 2025 we visit 74 uh representative and next year we will be going to there again. It's in 2026 we schedule targeting 100 representative to visit it but it's okay I believe you know the security so far so you have a reservation before you go you have reserved you have made appointments before you go talk to these Oh yeah we contact their uh um office and then make appointment of course yeah you have to make So you're scheduled like we know John Sheay is gonna call on this representative this day this time and that representative this day this time. Okay. So what do you what do you talk what what do you tell them? What do you talk to them about? Well, every year we prepare a very simple flyer and they listed maybe four or five item we are targeting. Yeah. like uh this year 2025 we talk about the double taxation for the uh most of the Taiwanese uh you know uh business they've been double tax Taiwan and United States yeah but I I've been hearing they were they were going to introduce some legislation about that uh it reflecting from the their you know uh the their area and the business person there like in California some some electronica company they've been double tax or so they try to reflect to the question yeah but but wouldn't when you're going to DC I mean you're you're asking for them to make a a law yes yes in for the whole country right yeah for Uh yeah to deal with every Taiwanese business. Yeah. Between So did they did they agree they agree that's reasonable? I guess I think they uh last year while we were there the Congress passed it but we're waiting for the Senate to to approve. So lots of you know the law all the reg uh regulation it takes time to to go through both the Congress and the Senate. Yeah. So you so this year your focus was on double taxation. That's the whole focus. Yeah. for 2025 and 20 next year 26. Uh it haven't finalized yet. I I believe just the recent announcement by the President Trump talk about the undetermination. I I think that that would be something to talk about.
You know in the Taiwanese chamber of commerce they are always green and blue you know. Yep. Green and blue. Yeah. Always. So but I guess on an issue like taxation they feel the same, right? Yeah. The taxation should be the same but for the time status could be some a bigger difference. Big difference. Yeah.
So what's the biggest issue in Taiwan? You you aware
the biggest issue. Yeah. I don't I don't know.
I guess everybody has their own opinion about some big issue. I don't know. Yeah, I know. After the the recall, I think the Yeah. Well, I mean, the recall though, I mean, it's just because the people didn't get out and vote. I think the the the number of people who said they wanted to recall was was larger, but it's just not enough people voted, right? That's true. Yeah. And a big noise, big voice, but turned out, you know, not enough people. And um well that that's just because you know well
but I don't know there uh
my wife cuz she would she would travel all around southern Taiwan and Yes. And also she would talk to the all all kind of just local people and stuff and she found
there are a lot of people who don't don't vote right because
there are you know I don't know this is what she told me she said there are a lot of people like Uh
they live here. Yes. And then uh well, let's see. Maybe their mother and father are here. And so the daughter and the son is like if they move their hooji out of there, I think they lose some benefits of some kind. they lose some benefits of some kind and so they don't want to move. Also, I guess it it affects their property ownership rights. Maybe maybe mother and father have a lot of property and they're already old. So, if they move their hooji out of there, maybe if mommy and daddy were to pass away, then they would I don't know. But they don't want to move their hooji out of there. But then when it's time to vote, they don't have time to go back. That's true. Yeah, that's true. So my wife said there are a lot of problems like this and the the DPP has not taken any creative initiatives to try to solve these problems. So that's why I mean
certainly if you knew a month beforehand Mhm. why couldn't you your pow be tow in Taipei? Why not? What's the reason it couldn't be you know? Yeah. They talk about the absent uh vote. absent absentee th000 yeah it wouldn't even you know it I mean it's it seems like a a one month would be adequate amount of time uh to have some registration for that you know but
that uh
you know it's like it's like coming back to Uh
somebody uh they gave me uh
you know you can you can go on the internet and you can just search for international like you know. Yeah. Yeah. So I I look for some things and I found I found one. It's in my notes there somewhere. And I think it was basically the international court of justice rate and there was a decision where
you know there's some of that land in the Middle East and other places which is contested and they said just because you're there and you're exercising administration for so many years so many years right it's sort of like contested, but you're the one that's there and you do this for so many years. Does that lean become jutran? And they said, "No, no, it doesn't." And in Taiwan, you have this Mhm. And he says, "Taiwan,
yeah." And the first time I heard that I said no there is no such international law principle and that is wrong. And everyone looked at me. Do you know that when I took my petitions to the leafy
And they said, and one one guy told me, he said,
I said who? They said channel. I said channel. Yeah. It's a joke. He said
so. what can you do? You know, and
and then and there was another one that was his that was his uh
that was his idea. And so there have been some other ones. Some of them several of them they even were on TV, you know, they like have like like a a you know eagerly bit. So they would have this young man.
Oh.
Who is this?
[ __ ] Jer back to the [ __ ] bro. I see Jer,
dude. They don't uh they don't want to hear anything that you know doesn't correspond with their view. Yeah. Most of them they believe after 1996 you know after the presidential election presidential election so Taiwan suddenly it's automatically evolv
that's that's the tun yeah that's what he said that's fine give me an example where are your examples give me some example in the world today yeah I I always He said that he can get the Nobel Prize you know by the but see the the problem the problem here is not is not that they are making statements like this. The problem is they don't even know how to conduct an argument. They bring out this sort of stuff and then you say okay give me some examples to prove this you know but they can't you know. So
uh this this is this is such a problem you know. Mhm.
And so you can't have any sort of consensus.
Yeah. That the uh it's hanging around for so many So what um what about the Taiwanese Chamber of Commerce? What about in in years past? What have they what have they been asking for? What have they when they call on the senators and congress people?
Most of the uh member in the chamber of congress they don't touch this this kind of question at all. They don't really talk about it. They talk about various regulations or something. Yeah. They talk about they consider Taiwan under Republic of China is a country. Okay. They follow 100% whatever the government said. So this that's their starting point and then from there they negotiating a lot of uh issue and then uh they work closely together with the department of foreign affair that that's what they try to do but if you had a question challenge it and then they they don't know what to talk
That's that's a shame. But even even this time the AIT Yeah. when they made this statement and then Taipei AIT also confirmed that and and the State Department confirmed that and now even the White House confirmed that. They said that the wartime proclamations did not determine Thailand status. Yes. Yeah. But then then also they say that uh so was not returned to China. So therefore Taiwan's not a country. No the pe you that's what US United States said. But the people in Taiwan, at least the government in Taiwan, the author, the governing authority on Taiwan, they said Taiwan is a sovereign nation. Yeah, but that's that's not what the US said. Oh, yeah. Of course. Of course. So again, they're picking what they want and they ignore the rest. They're picking That's not what the US said. The US said Taiwan's not sovereign. They've said it many times. No. Every year in September, the general assembly UN they they they had a meeting. So worldwide Taiwanese community they get together to support Taiwan. You know, hey, we should join the uh United Nation. But how I how like this year we had a press conference in in San Francisco and it just happened I had two two head to speak on the on the conference. So once it's on behalf of the chamber of commerce I say yeah yes Taiwan has a right and to ask the who represent the 23 million people in United in international community but second question I say on behalf of the love of tan association I had the other organization I said how how we can join that under one name no culture.
Yeah. So, can we apply under our seat? Of course, he will be rejected right away. And under Taiwan, there's no document. Not ready.
This has been on and on for so many years. At least uh I've been in Bay Area for 48 years.
That's on and on. Yeah. Never change. So, it's a turning point for Tai. It's about time to get it turning.
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All this government even the foreign affair department they criticize that PC has no sovereignty of Taiwan. They said that they never rule over the Taiwan for any single day. But they believe OC had the S. That's a problem. That's a problem. But according to you and then you ask them where why do you believe this? And it comes back to Kairo. They back there. They're back there. Which is what you just told the PRC that they don't because of Ky, right? So is it's they say anyway according to all the the the treaty or the declaration and they even bring up the uh treaty of Taipei according to the uh article 4 they said uh Japan renounced all right and and and and title under the protocore of the uh final protocore which is back into 1901, September 7. They said that they they said they said that uh uh uh no from the uh 1941 uh December 9 and prior they give a order but article five they mention that they only our government assuming that whatever that the document the commitment made by the Japan P it's been void. That's what they said. But article five, they clearly they only stuck to the uh uh 1901. So between the 1941 to the 1901, they never touched the 1895 the Shimono Shaki tribute. They never touch it. But no, no one mentioned that in in in the uh in the foreign department. You know, that that's a shame. They even put this in in in writing in the uh uh the foreign department's uh website they had a post, you know.
So like there's a lot of thing. Yeah. before when Lin Manong was in the Yeah. Yeah. She she had a big announcement about how Treaty of Taipei gave Taiwan 72 ROC. They say stuff. She said, "Yeah, that she she she found that that was the clear implication of the treaty." But in in 19 1952 1953 the US had already stated that neither treaty gave Taiwan sovereignty to Of course not. Of course not to to the ROC. They already said that 20 years earlier. Yeah.
So, you haven't met Niko for a while in Taiwan? Niko Niko Chai Niko? No, he hasn't been around. I I believe he's in Taiwan. I believe he's in most of time. Most of time here. You run into him quite a bit. No, I just, you know, get some email note. That's it.
That's right. I I I talk to CK more frequently than talk to Nickel Time at all.
Do you still remember Jeff Gear? What's he doing? He's still in the service. He in the service. He hasn't retired yet. He's going to retire will be soon. Yeah. Last time I met him maybe 3 years ago. It's been a while. He said he's Where is he stationed? Uh the last time I know he said he will be in Korea, but I don't know that.
Wow. But his uh
his stuff is is hard to understand. A lot of his writing is hard to understand. Yeah. So I I started with with his stuff, but I I made I made a lot of changes. Yeah. You started in 19 about 2000. 2000, right? Yeah. I think he published his article in 1999. Yeah. Like one or two pages. Right. Right. Right. And then you chip in in the 2004 or five. You you publish your article in the Hoover. Oh. Oh. Harvard. Harvard. That was about 2004. 2004. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. that year I read his article in the Yahoo. I read that and you told I asked him and and you told me that that's a Jeb wrote the article.
That's why I I I contact him and uh CK and his wife. Oh, by the way, CK's wife passed away. Yeah. Uh
See the problem is uh
here.
What I what I found out uh
what I found what I found out was uh
What I found out was uh let's say you know uh we stop fighting here surrender ceremonies. Yes. And here's the
here's a peace treaty. Well, first look look at some place like Mexico City. Yeah. Mexico City is not not seated to the US, right? Okay. So you've got your occupying troops coming in. Mhm. They have the occupation starting here over here. The treaty comes into force and Mexico City is giving back to Mexico. So all the troops are going to leave. Okay. So in this in this model of military occupation, the territory is returned to the original owner. That's what we call the classical model. Okay. So what what about the model in Taiwan? But that's that's not the model in Taiwan. The model in Taiwan is then you have territorial session, right? You started here, the peace treaty came into force. Mhm. But then you had the territorial session. Mhm. So Mr. Gear,
he would always say, "Well, this is military occupation, but this is something else." But that's not right. This is also military occupation. The whole thing. So Taiwan is here. Mhm. Because there there's been no final disposition. Yes. you know, it's still undetermined. M Taiwan is over here someplace and the military occupation is continuing and you have the principal occupying power and you have the subordinate occupying powers of so we used to get into arguments about the terminology but according to the treaty of Paris for Cuba yeah they said the treaty says very specifically Cuba is to be occupied by the United states.
But when that treaty was written, Cuba was already occupied by the United States. So that means after the treaty comes into force. Yes. And before the military government ends, then this is also military occupation. He didn't like that.
But here's the problem. There's a really there's a really big problem here with in discussing this is that if you look at uh the uh HEG regulations and the fourth Geneva Convention, yeah, it will say things like uh you have to respect the laws in forced in the country. Okay. Well, that's fine if you're here. Mexico City, right? You don't want to go in there and change everything and then Mexico City is given back to Mexico and already you've changed the whole legal structure, right? But in terms of a territorial session like April 28th, 1952, when you get here, when you pass this point, then that's not going to apply because you're no longer in this classical model where you're you're going to the the legal occupier is returning the sovereignty to the original owner. That's already not the formulation. People just don't understand this. Yeah. And so if you if you seen all this business, all this business about uh the end of hostilities, the peace treaty comes into force and territorial session. This is the point of session. Mhm. You have the end of military government which is the end of the military occupation.
This is all my analysis. It's not written anywhere. You cannot find that. You go on the internet and look for essays. You look for articles about military occupation. None of them talk about this. All they talk about is this. And so, you know, for me, like if I give an article in some magazine and then go, where's your reference for this?
I mean, you know, it sounds really bad, but if if John Sheay is Albert Einstein, then who do you have to review his papers? who's going to review your package? You're so far ahead of everyone else. And then they're going to say, "Well, I'm sorry, John, but I can't verify any of this."
So, this is such a big problem. Yeah. And for me, you know,
so you can't I'm really wor worried about people being confused about this because every and for me Yes. See, that's the funny thing. It's like Jeff Gear said, "Okay, you start by reading FM2710." Mhm. Okay. You start by really reading field manual FM2710. Mhm. And it's not easy to understand and it's 10 years before I understand it. What's the key? The key is here. It's only talking about this. You try to apply these principles over here, it doesn't work. But no one tells you that because no one talks about this. Only I talk about this. No one talks about this. So you know what Frank Jang Jang Chaos, right? Yeah. Forom University, right? I know. He said Taiwan is abandoned territory. Abandoned territory. Okay. Hey, eat cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. That's wrong. What's 100% wrong? And people said, "How do you know it's 100% wrong?" I said I studied this. But he said I said well yeah we are expressing in Chinese called wins. You know I think he joined the um another talk show every week charged by the uh Raymond Raymond Trunk. Yeah. Oh that yeah that one. every every every time you're Yeah. Every week. Yeah. They had a talk. I I saw him once in a while. I I don't really join that that talk show. I chair another talk show by myself. Uh but I And yours is called the Chamber of Commerce Sour. No, no, no. Not under the chamber at all. It's another Yours is called the Beautify Hayward Initiative. We call it the current affair review or something. Yeah. We you know summarize whatever happened in the past week. Yeah. And and every Friday in United States time and Taiwan Saturday morning. Yeah. That's how we review it every week. Yeah.
Well, Frank, so uh so this one if if I want to go to the states and talk to any of my friends, I first have to explain all this otherwise they're not going to understand it, you know. Yeah.
So I I sort of have to try to explain all that. You know, you could see uh
see also I noticed uh like uh
if you if you use all these theories of mine Mhm. like uh for example Saku Senaku Island it's belongs to Japan there's no doubt about it the sovereignty is held by Japan and they've been arguing about that for 50 years
that they don't understand the principles a lot of people confuse say based upon whatever who said that the principle But they don't understand why you know RC's military keep occupying Taiwan after the effect of the treaty not the peace treaty. Yeah. Well that's the other question that AIT didn't answer that. Well if if Cairo Pam are not definitive then why is the ROC even here? Yeah. Yeah. I think they don't answer that. They don't answer that. Yeah.
That's well they they did in 1971 they said there was one announcement by the state department something about uh Taiwan accepted the uh you know formal surrender ceremonies so they're legally established in Taiwan. No, it's nonsense. That's nonsense. And I compared that to a bunch of other uh
I said if that if that were the case then the Germans would still be in uh you know in Denmark and all these places because they accepted the surrender.
So
people
I think there have been people in the in the in the back, you know, in past years and they always went
they went to some of these jungu and they told them they said well you know they already said
and they said, "Oh, woman." Yeah, it's funny. You know the answer. You know the answer before you go over there.
Well, Richard, it's about hour and a half so far. Yeah. So, you have to go. You have to go and rest for your your train. Yeah. Your train tomorrow. Yeah. And uh would you like to read up something and say hi to the group in in the Bay Area?
Well, here we are in sunny Taipei. Actually, the typhoon is coming. What's the date today? The 22nd. 22nd. Yes. Of uh September. Yes, the typhoon is coming. Well, I don't know. we can uh we'll just hope that uh AIT and uh Department of State will be more clear. You know,
they made the confirmation. Mhm. Last week, oh, Cairo Cairo declaration, post stem declaration, Japanese surrender ceremonies did not determine the legal status of of Taiwan. Okay, then fine. Then then why is the ROC here? Yeah. You know why why aren't you answering this question? I think your question is very critical. Why you still accept the uh passport?
When you go on the internet, 99% of the people will say look at what passport they're carrying. That's shows the definition right away. Right. Yeah. I always asked him. I said, "Why why do you assume that it's legal for them to issue the passport?" I don't know. I think this is a very good question to to a to AIT or to to the Can you uh can you quickly uh can you quickly look back at Taiwan's history from uh from uh Pearl Harbor to to the present day and you show me uh on which day or which one of a period of days the US flag would have been could have been raised over Taiwan.
I I think they said they raised it somewhere in in Taiwan but not in the presidential office. But could you could you give me a date when it could have been raised? No. legally raised. I can I don't see it. Well, obviously a date from early October 1945, the Chinese were not here yet. According to Formosa betrayed, the Americans were here. They had arrived. So if they had uh raised the flag then and then set up another station uh headquarters and then kept the US flag raised and then the Chinese accepted surrender ceremonies and they raised their flag and the US flag. Well, there's nothing wrong with that. The conquest of Taiwan was by the US. They're going to be the principal occupying power. ROC is going to be some kind of subordinate occupying power. Yeah. And then when the peace treaty came into force just removed the ROC flag it wasn't given to them but the flag recognized the US as having a principal occupying power position also article 4 B. So I mean if you if you follow that
I think that we call me the uh uh treaty at Paris treaty this issue from the uh it like Cuba and that uh Spanishame war. Yeah, especially American war that the uh uh after the war uh Puerto Rico Puerto Rico there's a guy sued the uh US government. So they had a lawsuit and the Supreme Court had the they created the insul bureau. They had a final answer to that
wherever US military occupy not necessarily their flag flying over there. I think they that's some somewhere they talk about that right there three lawsuit uh Cuba and uh Puerto Rico. Well, it flew over Cuba until Cuba was independent. Yeah. Cuba today. Yeah. Independent in 1901, but 02 or 1902. And then the Puerto Rican even up to now they haven't really uh independent. They are under the uh the uh of the US. Yeah. They even had a Congress overseas territory. Yeah. Yeah. I don't I don't understand that. People say I you know you know my friend Paul from Tynan. Yeah. Yeah. I know him. Paul. Yeah. But he's always he's very big on this uh unequal treatment about under those Supreme Court cases from 1901 and those few years about how people the overseas territories insular areas are now given unequal treatment. I don't see it. I don't see it. If for example under the constitution you have fifth amendment you have grand jury.
You can have a grand jury. Well they said no not in the in areas. Okay. Not in the in areas according to the US constitution. Well, why not just put that in the local constitution if you want it? Or you could find some other advanced legal concept, you know, you could find some other advanced legal concept like uh
castle rights, expanded castle rights. If someone comes into your house, you can shoot them in there. No questions asked. You could That's not coming down from the federal constitution. You could put it in your local constitution. And then the other thing is they don't pay federal income tax. I don't if you allowed people in the United States to say, "Okay, look, I'm going to say it one time. You better listen up, okay? I'm going to give you an option.
You can retain your rights to vote for members of the Senate, the House,
President, Vice President, and you retain your full rights of citizenship and paid federal taxes, etc. or you can give up your rights to vote for these people and you pay no federal income taxes. Which one do you want? I think the Puerto Rican people they choose that they don't want it become the states of of United State, right? They hasn't passed the uh referendum yet. I think was also too not enough people came out. Oh, okay. Okay. You know, there's a story in my my son saw this story in the newspaper. There was this guy in Belgium. Yeah. And he was fined by the the Belgian authorities because they had a referendum. He didn't vote. And in Belgium, it's required. If you're a citizen, you have to vote.
Well, as it turns out,
on the day of the voting, and he had proof of this, he was not on the planet Earth.
He was participating in a NASA mission. He was on a space shuttle orbiting the Earth. Okay? And you know what the Belgian election official said? We don't care. You have to pay the fine. So, I mean, this is the thing. I mean, make it a requirement, you know.
Yeah. It seems like
it seems like uh
it's it's not unreasonable to say okay
there are people that just can't vote. you know have some procedure where the people who can't vote could register and then everyone else you have to vote but then you have to make it convenient you know my huji is in
my huji is in
you know okay d somewhere That's my huge.
So I mean you have to make it convenient for me. But you know things like that. I mean they don't
they don't look at these are they
Taiwan now they have the uh
appointment for the for the vaccination shots. It's all done online.
How many people are in the system? It must be Leang Chen by one, right? You could go and register right there and you could pick the hospital you want, you know, and if they have a space, it's all very convenient. Why can't you just do the referendum that way? It's so easy and you already have a system. It It's already It has good checking. There's no duplication. Yeah.
So, so when will we get the notice that John has been elected to be president of the Taiwanese chamber? Oh, no. It's it's not that easy to become the president of your chamber of commerce. Like uh Candace, he's a current. he will step down uh on the 26 of you know this month and then my understanding during his uh uh term he spent almost $2 million he contribute he donated to you know lots of the uh natural digesttor like uh typhoon or in Taiwan or in United States, you know, so a lots of natural digestive cost them a lot of money. Besides that, he had to participate all the we had a six continental chapter like a northern America, Southern America, uh Europe, Africa and then Australia and Asia. So six of them combined together. So we form the world chapter. So you have to visit every chapter's annual event. So so so many conference together and every time he visit he had to be there in person and he had to donate you know you know something a lot of it it's not financial wise it's it's impossible for
so but it's a big commitment to to serve the organization. Yeah, but it turn off it's it's a good good organization. So that's why after retire my retirement and then I I keep join with them annually and try to visit everywhere they had a meeting. So you go to South America? Yeah, whenever they had a meeting. So next year we are we had a meeting in uh Australia and I will be there next March. What about South America? Yeah, not yet. I I don't know. Paraguay. Yeah. Uh no, it depends on which uh chamber they they they've been elected as the president. So we go wherever the president's located. So next year will be in uh uh Australia and the following year will be Africa. South Yeah, South Africa. And then I hope turn around it will be in the South America. We don't know yet.
Wow. Yeah. So keep you busy. Yeah. Well, a lot of friends said catch it before you are too old. You know, a lot of friend they they wish to go but they say physically they are impossible. Yeah. They they just kind of cannot go.
Okay, Richard, I think we read it up and uh it's been good pleasure uh talking to you. Uh we we we've been on the radio for over an hour and a half. Yeah. Good talk. Good show. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.
